I really don't know how interesting looking at a bunch of microstakes hand histories and comments will actually be, but I do weave in strategy thoughts, hopefully it's not just a bunch of $2 bad-beat stories. I'd like feedback, though. I know Marsh is reading this stuff, but if nobody else cares, I am going to dial back my hand tracking.
Ryan's Cake Challenge Results
NLHE - .02/.04
OK, I call a pot-sized bet on the flop with the open-ender, here. It was probably a bad play even at mircostakes, but here was my microstakes thinking:
- With three players left to act at microstakes, you can expect a caller or two behind you here way more often than you will get at a better game
- You will get paid off more consistently when you hit at microstakes, so the implied odds are better
- If someone raises, it’s not a bad thing per se, as you can get into a situation where you have 8 clean outs to the nuts against two players and a triple up
I’m definitely more willing to gamble at these stakes, not because it’s a small real-world amount of money, but because your opponents at this level are looking to gamble. I think to succeed, you must be willing to oblige them when it is +EV in the slightest.
I don’t know if it was here or not, and this kind of situation comes up enough at microstakes (facing a pot-sized bet with a clean draw on the flop and multiple players behind) that I am going to look into it some more so I have a better idea of my EV in future situations like this.
$4 --> $8.24
I don’t mind limps with hands like this, you frequently see flops and get paid with monsters. This is the downside, though. The better flush draw leaving me with a fraction of the outs I thought I had.
(Rockets!) I’m actually starting to recognize some opponents, like coopershawk. He plays loose/passive preflop, calls light postflop, and chases draws for terrible prices. He must have had complete air on this flop to fold to me.
Played the river pretty soft, should have raised. If she had a boat or flush, she would have bet more than $.04 on the river.
I should start changing my name, I don’t want others to recognize me…
$4 --> $4.84
I’ve been not adding on when significantly below $4 to make for easier tracking, but I think I should start; it’s costing me money in hands like the JJ vs. QT.-------
$4 - $5.04
NLHE 30-Player Tournament
$1.00 + $.10
In classic microstakes form, everyone is throwing their chips around like drunk Steve. “Corina” in particular has been raising and calling with anything, and has been pretty lucky. I’m looking to let “her” do the betting for me when I finally catch a hand. I get AKo UTG and just limp because it’s likely someone will raise based on the table action. That doesn’t happen, but the flop looks good for me and I get what I was looking for: Corina making a terrible call against me. Pass the Sklanski bucks.
I can’t take it. This is the kind of shit that busted me online last time. And this. I’m not saying these were great plays, but they are what I think you have to do: overplay premium hands because somebody with a worse hand will play back. They just keep winning against me lately.
$4 – $0
Wow. Sets in O8 just suck ass. Fucking donkeys.
$4 – $0
I'm clearly not playing correctly. The poker gods are just hitting me over the head with how vulnerable sets are in
Here, poker stoving (well, ProPokerTooling) this hand and this flop against four random hands (and in microstakes O8, you will have four opponents), you have only 30% equity. You are the “favorite,” but do you hammer it, or do you treat it like a typical open-ender in hold’em? I don't know what the correct play is in situations like this. I may take some O8 questions to the 2+2 forums...
$4 – $0
OK, look, just folded two pair without a thought (Q325), I’m getting better! Of course, the hi winner ends up winning with two pair.
Sob, I can’t do anything right…Folded A2 on the turn with no diamond flush. OK, not a bad fold, I am being openly ROTey, but crap I want some dollars!
I think I finally played a flopped set correctly. And one finally connected on the river.
Folded 3dAs8s5h which would have won the low, but I like the fold. That’s a terrible place to take a stand.
$4 + $2 – $5.42
OK, I feel like I just got roofied. Was up at $90, now I’m almost sugar-free.-------
Busted on the second hand. I made what I hoped would be a sweetener raise with A24x and a good shot at a nut low, but it got bumped by a short stack. I had a nice low draw, and decided to go with it figuring that I would take half the pot if a low came barring a nasty counterfeiting. Turns out another guy had my exact low, so I was quartering at best.
I knew it was risky, but also figured it couldn’t hurt to set a rep as a gambler for a rebuy with so many big stacks at the table. Plan B it is.
$4 – > $0 – 2 Hands
Awesome lolmaha. Had to run the numbers on that hand. If I had joined in with my 6h2h6c4d, it would have looked like this. Interesting to note that the guy with AA had the worst EV because of his lack of a winnable low.
More Awsome lolmaha, this time I’m the recipient of the jackpot.
This time it busts me. Very next hand, too. Good old flop nuts that fail to hold up. This is an interesting one to stove. I have the absolute nuts on the flop, but with no low draw and my vulnerability to straight and flush draws, I’m actually in third place in the EV race! By the turn, when I get it all in there, my EV is 40%, but the river killed me.
This underscores the importance of seeing flops in O8 with solid low draws. You lose so much EV without a shot at the low that the flopped nuts only had 27% EV in that hand!
$4 --> 0 - 5 hands
Major gambly table. Hand history feature went on the fritz during this run, but I couldn’t even make it around to my BB to cash out up before I was compelled to shove with the odds. It didn’t work out and I busted again.
$6 --> $0 – 12 hands
So, O8 decimated my bankroll in this session. I knew it would be a swingy game to play in the challenge, but if I had just enforced a “cash out immediately when 10% of bankroll is on the table” policy instead of waiting for my BB, I would have finished near-even. Also, this table was just insane, even relative to normal microstakes O8. Total gamble-fest.
$4 +$4 -- > $4.49
Gotta play more microstakes MTTs, the gambling is outrageous, should be well profitable in the long run.------
Flopped a set and top pair, was sure I was still ahead on the flop, pretty sure I was ahead on the turn, and dead sure I was behind on the river. Buyup!
I never play 92o, but double it for O8? Sign me up! I had no idea how I was still good by the river, I thought I was busted for sure. (V1=6cAcAd2d, V2=Qc2c3c4c) Both were aiming low and didn't have two spades on them.
Wait for the blinds and bail…
$4 + $3 --> $11.72 – 16 Hands
Down a little after a big preflop raise with AJo and a c-bet, then doubled up with QQ. I knew this guy had an 8, just didn’t know what his other card was.
Then had my big score. lol. 1eyetex had a random king.
Oh, and this hand could be the cover of a book…
$4--> $9.90 – 43 Hands
$4 +$1 --> $7.06 – 21 Hands
On a whim I tried moving in with QQ on my second hand after a minraise and a call in front. Nobody had anything good enough to call with, but I thought I might look like your basic microstakes gambler by making that move on my second hand.
Tried a bluff and got reraised on the flop. Doubled up later. Wasn’t enough to avoid my first losing session in a while.
$4 --> $3.30 – 12 hands
Let’s try some six-handed.
Traded a few minor blows before the game collapsed.
$4 --> $4.26 – 14 hands
I swear, I don't even know what happened here with that river call (8433hh). If I can't avoid bad
Well, I added on a couple times and got some sugar in the end.
$4 +$1 +$1 --> $7.04
Let's go again!
Sat down in the BB, and bought in for $6 because I wanted to get bought in before the hand ended and blinds passed. Won my first two hands, was up over $4, cruised the rest of the orbit and cashed out.
$6 --> $10.61------
I really wanted to play some
$4 --> $0
I know swingy
To that end, another shot; if I bust out, I'll get off the
I guess if I couldn't get away from the second nut low here (which I couldn't), I should have bet it.
Well, Omaha smiled on me in the way only Omaha can, when I went all in with a set, a flush draw, and the nut low draw, missed them all and hit runner-runner Broadway for the nuts and no low instead. (I thought I got the hand link, but I can’t find it).
I quit at my next blind like a good boy. I even folded bottom set (A633hhh) to a big flop bet. I had no straight or flush redraws and an awful low draw, and look what ended up happening. This is what I mean about playing
$4 --> $13.60
I played at this hold'em table at the same time as the
$4 --> $10.16
In this hand, The min-raise preflop and the min-raise on the flop confused me a bit. I'm not sure how the hand would have gone down if I didn't catch one of my 3s or Qs to make things more straightforward. A more serious raise on the flop would have got me to fold, but he did have me confused.
On this hand, I get 99, and I'm facing an EP standard preflop raise and one caller. In spots like this, you have to decide right then if you are going to treat 99 like a better pocket pair, or a worse one. You certainly can't treat them like nines; that would be a disaster.
On the previous hand, I raised in the CO with QJ off, c-bet a K-high flop, got called, checked it down, and won with a river J. I had to show the table my marginal raise, though, which is an image adjuster. Because of that last hand, I felt re-raising with the nines would get me more action than I wanted, so I decided to treat them like a worse pair and set mine. With that many to the flop, I'm done when the board pairs jacks. Aficionado2 doesn't show, but I'm certain he held a jack.
If there's no reraise, I'm happily calling this obvious short-stack gambler with my ATss. The iso reraise works with QQ, though, and I correctly fold what would have been a big winner.
(AKcc) I liked the raise to $.30 (slightly more than pot-sized) preflop, because someone is probably going to pay that awful price to see a flop. When they do, and I hit top top with a flop that dry, I should have made a callable bet and not the microstakes overshove, but he did take until the last second to decide to fold.
(AQo) God, just when I'm doing great, I fuck it up. Classic, I was going to quit when the blinds got to me, too. Layla had been playing pretty loose, betting and calling with lots of marginal hands postflop, so I don't think it was a horrible call, but I didn't have to lose a buyin on that hand. I should have cut my losses on the river.
OK, I hit a flush and made $.33 of sugar. Good enough for now, if frustrating that I don't have my almost-$4 in sugar…
$4 --> $4.33
Expert play at the microstakes! I love the minraise war on the turn where the guy with trip sixes lets the gutshot hit with his awful betting. Really, I'm including this hand to show manderson's $2 bet into the $1 pot with the straight on the river. I think most 100%+ pot-sized bets on the river at $.02/$.04 are just the mircostakes equivalent of value bets.
6h5h - OK, the micro-stakes value bet on the river didn't work out on this one, but the whole min-bet-the-flop-and-turn thing created Jason's dream scenario: the chaseable gutshot/runner-runner!
Brutal. If he had pushed instead of check-min-raised, I might have thought I was behind and folded. Well, I got him to make a big mistake, so there you go. That's why proper bankroll management involves such a big cushion. You need to be able to withstand a ton of beats like that in a row without busting, because at some point, you will get tons of beats like that in a row.
I lose a coinflip with AK. I will pretty much never fold AK preflop at microstakes. I had AA the previous hand and won without a showdown, so my short-term image was very aggro. When I raise again on the next hand and someone overshoves, it's almost certain I've got a coin flip at worst, and maybe even domination. Also, sometimes that third player will gamble in terrible shape in that spot as well and make the call.
And that will do it for this nasty little session.
$4, +$2.89, +$2.02 --> $3.82, 40 hands