Monday, November 19, 2007

Tales from Omaha 8 - A Jason post

Posted on behalf of Jason:

Omaha 8 has been my new game as of late, as I am seeking out a game where I think I have a major competitive advantage over the field. As Ryan has noted, some of the play at microstakes is just plain awful but there are some good players as well.

I try to multitable 2 tables when I play. As you all know I can be a bit slow in my decision making but multitabling lowers my risk of playing boredom hands. Boredom hands can be brutal as pots in Omaha 8 tend to get big.

Key Hands

Best Flop Ever,

I raise with KK,A,2 and I get reraised. 6 handed microstakes. I call. Villain and I to the flop. Flop is K,3,4. All my money and villain’s money gets in on the flop. Villain has AA,3,x. Low and High hold for the scoop.

Worse Flop Ever,

I am in the small blind, playing 6 handed low stakes, 9 handed. One raiser everyone else has folded. BB calls. I have A,44,x, and I decide to call. Flop is 4,A,x. I decide to check raise. Original raiser bets, I check raise and he puts me all in. Villain has AA,2,3. Oops. Can’t really beat myself up too much for that one. I mean the case A and one of the two fours come out on the flop and I am toast except for quads.

No way to lay down hand

I have 2,3,xx and the flop is 4,5,6, with 2 diamonds. I have no redraws and decide to check raise anyways from the blind. 3 handed. Original raiser bets, I check raise, and all 3 of us are all in. Middle position player has squat but original raiser has AA,2, x with the ace suited in diamonds. No way am I going to lay down a flopped straight and a good low. Diamond hits on the river and I lose the 3 way all in.

Little too early to tell if this is long range profitable at microstakes but I am ahead. Can’t beat the low stakes tables though. The rake can be particularly brutal as all ins with split pots spell lose/lose for everyone but the house. I have played some Omaha High recently as well with similar results, ahead at microstakes, behind at low stakes.

Stressful Way to Win a $10 Pot

Playing 6 handed NL Hold’m .10/.25 stakes bunch of LAG players at the table, I am constantly getting my blinds stolen by raises from the button. Pick up pocket tens in the small blind. If playing against a TAG player, I would almost always reraise here to see where I am at. I decide to smooth call here, as I really don’t want to resteal with a decent hand, figuring the villain will just fold. Flop is A,9,9. I check, wait for the continuation bet, and call. I could raise here to figure out if villain has a random nine as I doubt he had an Ace and would bet it. He appears to be a tricky player, likely to not bet an Ace, if he had one. The next card is a low card, check, check. The final card is an Ace, I check and he bets pot. Is he really firing a second bullet with nothing, or does he have a random nine, or possibly an Ace. I click the time button to give me a few more seconds. I figure the only play that would make sense here for him to be ahead was that he had an Ace or a 9, bet the flop, then checked the turn to fake a failed continuation bet, then value bet the river. I decide to look him up and he flips over 7,5 suited for pure air.

I know I am often wrong with these hero calls and I try to avoid them on line. This one just didn’t add up and I took down a decent size pot.

Current Total: $311 and change. Following a few more bankroll management principals, but not Ferguson like. I will risk up to 1/6 of my bankroll at any one time about once a week, otherwise risk no more than 1/12.


Marshall said...

LOL this is pretty classic Jason here:

I will risk up to 1/6 of my bankroll at any one time about once a week, otherwise risk no more than 1/12.

Even his fractions are in 3's. This is a hard way to say "I play the $50.00 games sometimes, but usually just stick to the $25.00"

Jason rules.

Ryan said...

Jason, Marsh called you out about your bankroll management, where it seems that your desired stakes and your bankroll have produced your BM rules, instead of your BM rules and your bankroll combining to define your stakes.

If you lost $100 of your bankroll on a bad run, would you move down to the .05/.10 game, per your bankroll-management rules, or would your BM rules suddenly become, "I will play 1/8th of my roll, and once a week I will play 1/4."

I mean, you have stated before that you won't play below .10/.25 because it's too small for you to play with discipline: has this changed, or are these BM rules you've laid out just a smokescreen for you to play at the stakes you want to play at while appearing to adhere to some BM rules?


As for the O8 hand with the set of fours...

I would not have check-raised with the nut-low set with an ace on board and a PF raiser. PF raises at O8 frequently mean AAxx, so when I flop a low set on an ace-high board in that spot, I want to bet out and see what the PF aggressor does. If I get a stiff raise, I can actually let that set go, that's how common it is for the PF raiser to have AA in O8. By check-raising, you didn't give yourself any way to get away from it. And bottom set in O8, by Ryan's conversion standards, is a little better than (but closer to) bottom pair in hold''s not a check-raising hand, it's a "bet out and see what kind of response I get" hand.

If the "X" card made a low possible, it would be harder because I might think villain was just raising with the nut low, but it's a tough spot. Again, I have found the toughest spot in O8 to be facing a raise with a low on board when you have a good but non-nut high.

Bob Loblaw said...

We need to have a different acronym for Bankroll Management other than BM. BM does and will always make me think of Bowel Movement, and I hope we all have a good, safe, clean set of BM rules that we live by (use a toilet, try to avoid back-splash, etc.), but we don't need to share those rules with the team.

Sushi Cowboy said...

I vote for BRM (BankRoll Management) as the better option than saying how "Royal had the worst BM last weekend."